Manners Maketh Man
Manners Maketh Man
A quote from Fowler's fellow countryman William of Wykeham (1324 - 1404) who was a bishop, chancellor, and architect. He founded Winchester College and New College, Oxford. He also played a key role in the building of Windsor Castle. His motto is also the motto for both Winchester College and Oxford.
Stephen Fowler, are you so lost that you have forgotten? MANNERS MAKETH MAN.
this was sent to me by a midwestern attorney, an overweight midwestern attorney as she described herself.
Pleased to see Mr Fowler be called to account for his swarmy,pompous,superiority "complex". Lived as expat 8yrs in EU,the children attended trilingual public school for primary some secondary years,WE NEVER MET THE LIKES OF Mr "stuck-on-himself"Fowler! Mr Fowler is NO "gentle"man in ANY culture.SF seems to be the USA's epicenter for tiresome, smug,self entitled and self deluded toadying prats.
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Stephen Fowler was the subject of Kelly's Court on Fox News this morning. It was great - usually one of the lawyers DEFENDS the subject, but not this time. They also mentioned this site.
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Stephen you are a disgrace, you berated and belittled that poor woman and your wife is no better than you. Why don't you move back to England and take your family with you, your wife would probably love the idea especially after stating that she is not proud to be an American. Your moving would be one small step to making America a better country. As a Brit living here for 18 years your words and actions disgust me. I chose to live here because I love this country and the people. Perhaps you should re-think YOUR reasons for being here. Just one more thought, you would be just as hated in England or any other country; no one likes arrogance, pompousness and elitism they are just not likeable qualities in a person.
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I've heard some apologies recently. For instance Christian Bale. I listened with an open mind to his apology. One thing Bale has going for him - TALENT.
The difference is, Bale was berating someone for being in his acting light - which is a no no, and can break concentration.
Bale was wrong, but was SINCERE about his apology - although he still needs anger management in my opinion.
Fowler is just evil. For no reason he berated a sweet woman and turned his CHILDREN against her. And Renee Stephens is a moron with NO DEGREE (NLP is NOT a degree, nor is that Scientology crap she got a degree from).
No amount of apologies are going to do in this case. What WE have to do is make sure that terranovio gets broke and that Renee has no more "fat" clients, since Stephen Fowler finds fat people "repulsive and stupid".
BTW, I just found out about this last night through another website and I'm STILL outraged. He DOES represent SF mentality. I lived there for over 20 years and only ESCAPED in 2005.
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No, he's not evil. To be evil suggests some conscience, albeit negative. Fowler's got none. Nothing. He is plain and simply sociopathic. He's the type of guy you read about killing his family because the world isn't good enough for them, or they're not good enough for him. Or, if it's Renee that does it - which is equally possible - they're just too much of a burden to be bothered with. She's an abused woman who has no tolerance for her children. There's going to come a time when something's got to give. When that time comes, I only hope it's not the children that suffer for it. They've suffered enough already.
I'd considered taking up residence in SF because it's such a beautiful area, but if Fowler's elitist mentality exists there on any level, I think I'll be looking at Orange County.
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Biding,
Mrs. E has some issues of unknown origin with SF. Fowler isn't representative of ANY of the people I know and I've lived in SF since the 70's. Has it changed? Sure it has; where in the world hasn't changed in the past few decades? Orange County? While I agree many people in the Bay Area (and the rest of the developed world) focus too much on status, you'll see it even more pronounced in Orange County where there is even more media influence because of the proximity to the "industry".
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Wrong Lynne. I almost moved to Newport Beach, a REPUBLICAN place in Orange County and it was FAR SUPERIOR to SF in every way possible. Don't give me your SF superiority bs! I know too much about it - in fact I've probably MET YOU or run into you there. If anyone has issues it's YOU, not me. I hate SF, it is FILLED with Fowler types. You said you lived in NOE VALLEY yourself - there's your ANSWER. You're not paying attention or you're too OLD to realize how awful and snooty and elitist SF is and how people like the Fowlers populate the streets.
SF hasn't been good and kind since the early 80's when it was falling apart and BROKE, and even then it was still a snobby city.
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Christian Bale, is that you?
You need to calm down and stop painting everything with your wide brush. Your words reveal a very deep-seeded hatred for SF and if you had a bad experience here, I'm truly sorry. But your comments denigrated an entire city, and thereby all the people who live here. I live here and I am nothing like Stephen Fowler, nor are the people I know here. I take offense at being called a "Fowler," just like you take offense at his comments on Wife Swap.
Please try to keep an open mind and an open heart and understand that there are many great people in SF, just like everywhere else. Moreover, there are many like Fowler in SF, just like everywhere else.
Fowler is Fowler. San Francisco is San Francisco.
As for Orange County, I'm originally from there and I can tell you there are PLENTY of people like him as well there...with one extra condition: they have never left the suburbs and are even more non-understanding of everywhere but OC. Especially in areas like Newport Beach, where most of the families are wealthy and never leave their enclave of beaches and tennis courts. Good people, I'm sure, but very limited in their knowledge of what goes on outside their city...that includes what goes on in Missiouri/Midwest.
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Hi Lynne. We can recognize your writing! You need to calm yourself down. San Francisco is FILLED with Fowlers, and Orange County is WAY better.
Don't be an idiot.
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Who the fuck is Lynne? My name is Ray.
Instead of accusing me of misrepresenting my real identity and calling me an idiot, why don't you learn some damn manners and have a real conversation?
OC is great. I'm from OC, I love OC. I was just trying to say that many of the suburbanites there just have a different mindset from never leaving their confines. A more closed mindset. Not all, but many.
You know what, your "reply" has pretty much taken any type of legitimacy out of these posts on this site. I see now that it's a complete waste of time even trying to seriously discuss this issue.
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Well Ray, you're the rude one here. You came in attacking one of the members. just mind your manners here, and no one but you is cursing a blue streak.
Next time you join a website maybe you should go on "attack mode" for your first post.
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A "member"?! What are you talking about? Please stop the comedy. This is a public board where anybody can post if they want. I don't remember having to register. Perhaps you want me to not say what's on my mind? The right you and others here so fervently defend, as you should?
The person was attacking me, by saying everyone in SF is like Fowler. Perhaps you do not defend yourself when you get attacked, but I do. I was not being vitriolic, I was simply stating a fact that she was painting the whole city with a broad brush and called for an open mind. How is that "attacking" her?
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Children, don't MAKE me pull this car over and come back there. Play nice or I'll make you go live with the Fowlers.
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I think he means, "Leigh Ann" LOL! I was on here over the past few days suggesting that Stephen Fowler should be forgiven and that people are making too much of this, and that trying to destroy a family because a guy was being an ass on TV was a bad thing because a lot of people have treated people like garbage at one time or another, and we are supposed to be a forgiving nation.
I also pointed out that the Longs ended up with a better life after the swap, and got paid big dollars as well.
I also pointed out that ABC shares some of the responsibility for this. Many, if not most, husbands on this show reduce their new wives to tears with meanness and verbal abuse, and just in the Lifetime re-runs this week I've heard a new husband call his wife a "fat b****" and another husband tell his new wife that she looked like a white trash w****. That behavior is what the producers encourage and expect and hope for.
People on here want to see the Fowlers get divorced, they want to see them lose their kids, they want to see them financially destroyed, forced out of the country, etc.
I stand for forgiveness, because Jesus says if we don't forgive others, we won't be forgiven ourselves.
But when I was posting on here, they accused me of being Renee!
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Um, is that the same Jesus that said "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword."? (Matt. 10:34).
Yeah, I think it is. And that Jesus would surely approve of this.
I love it when Bible-thumpers quote only the "nice Jesus", ignoring the rest.
Of course, as an atheist, I feel free to use any and all of that mass of contradictions and nonsense known as the Bible for various purposes, including here....
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"As an athiest"..... Typical SF resident like Fowler.
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Mrs. E,
Sheesh, you really do have some bad anger issues. Too bad you cling to a time that doesn't exist anywhere any longer. I prefer to live in the present and I find much to be fond of in SF along with those things of which I am not so fond. You don't like it, you moved away and it sounds like that was the right decision for you. I don't know why you think I said I live in Noe Valley. I don't and never have.
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I agree Bale's apology was sincere but I have to ad, having been there, the man Bale was going off on made Stephen Fowler look like Mr. Rogers and routinely went off on everyone one set. Bale got my support in the tirade. I would have gone off on the guy myself had I not gotten fired for it...
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The real test of a gentleman is not how he treats those who are supposedly his peers but how he treats those who might be deemed to be of lower social standing. Manners should be used by everyone for everyone.
Fowler's wife, friends, and acquaintances are probably shocked at his behavior and attitudes because his vicious snobbery has never been directed at them.
A majority of people on this planet are nice people and try to extend kindness to others regardless of their putative status. And, many assholes are nasty to just about anyone. I have more respect for them than Fowler because, in their own sociopathic way, they are honest and consistent. Fowler is a breed that bases his kindness and thoughtfulness on who he interacts with. If he has no use for you, you can be discarded.
A good test of your friends and associates is how they behave in a restaurant. No matter how nice they are around you, if they treat the waiter like a serf, they are not nice people. Fowler is the guy who thinks the waiter is less than dirt (and probably doesn't tip well either).
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Humility is a lesson this poor man lacks. May shame befall him for his poor judgement and lack of respect shown to his children. Duh! Stephen, you need to sit out this lifetime and hope for betters days. Be cheerful, things could happen, your life may be recyclable.
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Steven Fowler is a great example of the elitist environmentalist freaks that live in SF. Yeah, maybe I'm just as bad as him for generalizing, but I don't see people like that in the South, or the Mid-West. Not nearly as much as I do in the hippy ridden freak fest that is So Cal. To all of you who live in So Cal and are respectful, forgive me. But for all of you Fowlers out there, wherever you may be, a big nice cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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He is just a typical Nancy Pelosi.
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FYI , San Francisco is in NORTHERN California, not So Cal.
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I find it interesting that when the families were revisited, Rene said that the Fowler family had learned "nothing" from the Longs. She had to eat those words, thanks to rightous indignation.
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She's absolutely correct. The Fowlers learned absolutely nothing from the Longs. And that's a shame, because they could have learned quite a lot.
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I couldn't help but agree. They could have learned a lot had they not been so wrapped up in their arrogance and elitist mentality. They thought they were superior but actually they are not. The Fowlers are just a pair of nincompoops who keep on pumping up their egos with the air of superiority because deep down inside they have low self esteem. Stephen Fowler and his wife is oblivious to the fact that inferiority and superiority complexes are just but products of a low self esteem. You have just made it known to the entire world how INSECURE you are Stephen Fowler.
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as a member of MENSA, I must say that fowler is an IDIOT!! not to mention a disgrace to the human race. Fowler is nothing more than an arrogant WANKER that need's to go back to where he came from & his children should be taken away from him & his wife. That's all we need are a bunch of little Fowler robots running around.
Have a nice day
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www.noevalleyvoice.com/2006/March/Tree.html
Look at this link.
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Nice info
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I wonder what the March 2009 issue will have to say about the Fowlers?
Something tells me the story will be quite different.
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Biding, you little optimistic minx! They won't be mentioned at all...
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But... I brought popcorn and weenies to roast!
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Well, if it's any consolation... we are are roasting this little wienie here already...
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Go back to England if they'll take you. How dare you come here and ridicule the very people who are the backbone of this country and whose sons probably will join the military and fight to keep you and yours safe. I hope your parents aren't alive to see what a scumbag you turned out to be and worse the values you are teaching your children. I think they would be so ashamed of you. Renee', you are no better. I hope all your overweight clients drop you since you and your husband hate fat people but are yet willing to make money off them. Go to France you love it so much. You already know the language. Get the Hell out of my country!
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Mr. Fowler and his wife Ms. Stepens actually applied to be on the ABC program. Why anyone would choose to have intimate personal experiences exposed to the general public is a question that is best answered with one word: NARCISSISM. The smarmy, condescending and patronising attitude that they both displayed is of a kind that is all too easily seen amongst their peer group: The Noe Valley "we know best" liberal. By the way, for those of you that do not know San Francisco, Noe Valley is a posseur neighborhood that until recently was very much a blue collar community. Of course, the gentrification of the neighborhood by out of town weiedos of the type that the rest of the country likes to ridicule drove the workers out!
Any true San FRanciscan knows that Noe is a place for people like the Fowlers, out of towners who have chosen to leave their roots and experiment with a diferent lifestyle. Real San Franciscans view Noe with a little disdain as a melting pot of parvenu dilletants and wierdos. Birds of a feather...
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You're so right. Noe is looked on with DISDAIN by the rest of SF'ers. It's a wanna be neighborhood because the REAL money is in the Marina & Pacific Heights. They just THINK they're all that in that neighborhood.
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Nah, no snobbery going on in SF at ALL.
Pfft.
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Biding, My intent was not to imply a certain snobery only to inform people that San Francisco is a multi dimensional city informed with all different types. The uniqueness of San Francisco is that these types tend to congeal within certain neighborhoods. Noe Valley has always been less desireable real estate because of its geographical location, the surrounding neighborhoods, and it's mixed use zoning. When you peel the onion of the diferent groups that live in The City, i.e. the different ethnic communities, the large LGBT community, the yuppies, et. al. the size of the old timer community, natives if you will, is quite small. Beleive me, This family will never live this down in San Francisco. We have a saying amongst us, "you can run, but you can't hide"
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Dude, I was talking about Mrs E's snobbish comments, not you.
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And I was making fun of SF'ers in a snarky way.
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And I was making snarky fun of you.
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On behalf of Snarkies everywhere I am deeply offencified! You made me so angry that I burned my egg and paintball souffle!
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Paintball and egg souffle abuse! We'd better watch it. If we're not careful, somebody's going to start a blog about us!
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Te-hee... I'm hungry again AND the blog idea sounds delish. Me likey!
Signed,
Snarky
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I world like to add that even the people living in the Marina and Pacific Heights are not "all that." I live two blocks from what was once called the Polk/Gulch area, but since being invaded from the people in the Marina Pacific Heights and Russian Hill, it has now been deemed "Polk Village" by the merchants of the upscale restaurants and stores that have changed the face and orientation of the area. This area used to be very queer and queer friendly, now my boyfriend and I get dirty looks for walking hand in hand together. (I guess we are all supposed to stay in the Castro. )Polk Village: a place to live and shop! Now if they could just get rid of the Larkin Street Youth Center and Divas, the transgendered club, just think how their property values would increase!
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Polk Village? OMG, that is hilarious! I just drove to SF not too long ago, and Polk Village (below California) looked like it always had and just as dangerous as ever.
There's a great Indian store near there though. And lots of Indian restaurants.
Michael, not making fun of you, just laughing at what TPTB came up with to sell it to those types. Aren't the apartments still run the same way...ie, never fixed up and dilapidated? I can't see the Marina/Pac Heights crowd crowding into an apartment across from, say Divas, can you?
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In the 7 years I have lived in the Polk/Gulch area, I have never found it to be dangerous, especially from Geary on (Just because an area is not affluent or well groomed does not mean it is dangerous.) In fact, I would argue that it is more dangerous now due to the large influx of fraternity boys and sorority girls spilling out into the streets in a drunken and violent mob mentality.
This area, along with the Tenderlion, is now the new hip and trendy place to go for dining and clubs. Come into the neighborhood, ridicule the locals and look oh-so dangerous slumming it in the 'lion. A company called CitiApartments bought many of the buildings in my area, evicted the tenants and now offer studios and one or two bedroom apartments for the edgy, affluent crowd who expect you to move out of the way as they jog, walk their dog or their baby in a $5,000.00 stroller.(Just like Noe Valley.) My friend sent me an article where these people had the gall to say they were the new pioneers-- setting out into uncharted and dangerous areas to make them "better". (Ie: the Fowlers.)
The m.o here in Sf is for people to move into an area, make a stink about how everything particular to that neighborhood effects their "quality of life" --read: property values-- and through money and force succeed in turning everything into an extension of their suburban life. (Ie: the Fowlers)
The owner and manager of Divas owns the property, so the "new"pioneers cannot try their usual of getting the lease revoked to make way for a Starbucks.
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I found it interesting that Fowler declined to take the college exam. I suspect he is not really as smart as he says he is. He knew that he would score poorly and thus declined.
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He is living by what he sows, and I'm loving every minute of it. Eat up, Stephen Fowler, eat up!
As for his wife, she just needs to leave. If that's his true character, which it apparently is, she needs to leave.
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Fowler reaping the fruits of what sewed - several times over. But if anyone out there is sending death threats, that is worse and u are not thinking about his family.
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What a complete Jackass of a man.
I'm surprised the other husband didn't pop him one in the mouth.
Fowler's arrogance just stirs up something in the American public. He deserves a good 'ole Midwestern ass whoopin'.
Remember "you cant judge a man by the size of his wallet!"
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stephen fowlers sat there and let him talk to her in front of her.she should have stopped him, as hi was a total ass
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Do us a favor and move back to England,it would improve the I.Q. of both countries.
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Do us a favor and move back to England,it would improve the I.Q. of both countries!
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Steven go back to what ever rock you crawled out from. You have lived here for how long? I can not even understand you when you talk because your english sucks like you. You lucky that I was nowhere around when you talked that smack to that poor lady.
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I watched the show and had to change the channel because I could not believe what I was seeing and hearing. People should not threaten him or his children, but his children should be taken away; however, being an ignorant parent is not against the law. He has ruined their lives and reputation and it will never be recovered. Maybe they didn't learn from the Longs but I guess now they are learning quite a bit. Maybe they should try the golden rule "treat others as you would like to be treated!"
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Why hasn't anybody pointed out that normal, healthy, well adjusted human being don't feel a constant need to pound home their accomplishments and qualities? His pretentiousness is borne more from feelings of inadequacy than superiority.
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I think this is the address of the schmuck from "Wife Swap:"
[ removed by Editor, people, stop posting his home address. If you want to find out where he lives then consider it as an intelligence test to figure it out yourself. Every 5 year old can figure out where he lives. His home address has been posted since day one. Not news anymore. ]
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He is right all the way! An uneducated, fat american woman on tv. What else is new?
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Dude, stop trying to leech off his attention. You're not even a pale immitation of Fowler. You're just some sad wannabe trying to snap up a little of the spotlight for yourself.
Now go back to your video games and comic books. Shoo.
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Typical British/San Francisco closet male. To quote Judge Judy-"proof that people should require a license to procreate"
To bad the average Democrat doesn't comprehend what the self-thought
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Oh my. Saw another clip on Yahoo News today. This Fowler guy takes the cake. I was blushing after seeing some of the clips. There must be a chemical in-balance in his brain. For him to keep up his verbal abuse for TWO straight weeks takes mental instability. In all seriousness his friends (assuming he has any) should pursue intervention and get him treatment. It's clear his wife has either been brain washed or drinks from the same faucet.
Haven lived in the bay area all my life, I find myself embarrassed to live within 20 miles of such a scumbag. Hopefully, some day I see this douchebag at a restaurant, and I can verbally abuse him in front of his peers. Go back to England jerk off!
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I hope you get a chance.
Yep, you're right...he and his hag drink from the same FOWL faucet. Don't go thinking that she is an innocent. She knows him better than anyone and loves him. Both are sickos. A perfect marriage of latrine slime and scum rot.
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M Kelly has a segment on Fox News this morning: http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3648591&referralPlaylistId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b0c12f2749
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That's brilliant. They said "He can't sue the website" and "He's a jerk" every way they knew how and ran out of things to say. Love that! Not one of the people on the panel had anything to say in this guy's defense on any level.
I think the one guy summed it up when he said that this is America. Fowler has every right to be a jerk, and we have every right to let him know what we think of him.
Suck it up, Stephen. You brought this on yourself.
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Loved it. Showed what a jerk Fowler is. He has NO CASE according to the lawyers on Fox News.
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The last line of that segment says it all: "No one can showcase your bad behavior if you give them zero ammunition."
The long-time president of the University of Iowa, Willard "Sandy" Boyd, made a rule required of anybody who worked for him. It was, "Never do anything that would get you on the front page of the Des Moines Register."
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Thank for the link.
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Fowler is the epitome of the one sided black hearted liberal that passes itself off as the savior of humanity while soundly mashing the skulls of the snubbed, overly caricatured and demonized midwest lifeblood of America.
After watching 2 terms of liberal piety whipped into a demonic frenzy of lies, topped by the election of America's first Marxist Czar, its actually only slightly refreshing to see some here, who self identified as liberals, actually show distaste, sincere, feigned for effect or otherwise, for Mr. Fowlers shitty behavior.
On the other hand, its disturbing to think that the extreme caricature of what someone like Rush Limbaugh would describe as a liberal actually has a name and his 15 minutes of fame.
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It seems to me that someone who does not want his life to be an open book and claims to be so smart would be smart enough not to go on national television and behave like a moron. Stephen, you are the only stupid person in that episode....
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You really came off as an elitist, effete, Euro-Trash Prig! Please ! Leave the inferior U.S.A. and go preach your "Wisdom" to someplace advanced and far away like the Antarctic. The Penguins will be thrilled with your talking down to them. You can teach them to "Recycle" snow. And when they get fat Renee can "Life Coach" them. Be sure to propagandize them with your classy T-Shirts and high class British accent. Take your "World Citizen" arrogant wife with you Ship your kids off to someplace advanced and far away from here so when they implode "WE" the poor, ignorant, fat Americans don't have to listen to their sociopathic, demeaning rants. I suggest Pakistan. Or someone sophisticated like Osama Bin-Laden. I'm sure as Citizen's of the world he will know just how to channel the anger you and your wife have instilled in them. By the way is it true you failed your PHD in Philosophy ? Anyhow just LEAVE!!! PR***!
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Well Mr. Fowler do you know what the word d**khead means???
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Mr. Fowler is narcissistic and self-absorbed.
I blog in this type- I was appalled by this man. Thank you for this site.
Just desserts!
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For all his so-called education, he struck me as a singularly stupid individual who hides his non existent self esteem behind sarcasm and repulsiveness. I cannot imagine what could possibly attract anyone to this pompous idiot. It is poetic justice that he is now being treated exactly the way that he treated his Midwestern wife-only on a much larger scale.Maybe now he will get it into his head that the only person who he impresses is himself. As far as I am concerned, he invented the concept of being a loser and he's done a great job of exemplifying one.
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I have seen the episode with this prick and let me tell you if he talked to my wife like that he would be swimming with the fish...
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1. What is a person with his alleged high IQ as he is suppose to have doing on wife swap. He must need the money. Oh thats right not him. He's got more than he knows what to do with.2. He must have been picked on as a child in the uk and fled to this country for refuge. I think he suffers from little mans synedrome,coupled with a small penis and retained testicls. It would be a fun to watch him run his mouth the way he did to that poor lady on T.V. in any bar, union hall,or college campus in the midwest. They ship him back to the UK c.o.d. with his head stuffed up his rear. 3. Let me do say, I could possibly see things from perspective if I could get my head that far up my own ass. He's rude "little" ignorant self centered SOB. Who is damaging his children psychologically with arrogant,conceited,egotistical attitude. His behavior is appalling and embrassing to his family,the UK, the Midwest including any and everyone that seen or herd about his actions. If bought him for what he's worth and sold him for he wants you to think he's worth one would never have to work again. What a sorry piece of humanity. A poor "Little man" with a small penis. I have to wonder if he squats to to urinate. Go back to the UK. You worthless Bastard and come out of the closet. End the repression,Stop the anger. Tell your your wife and kids your your true feeling. Everyone else knows your a latent Homosexual. Free yourself. You'll be a better person for it. Then move to the Midwest Bubba is waiting for you. Rest-a-sure it not going to be your neck that ends up red. You bigoted bastard.
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I think all of you are no better then him. Your spiteful superiority complexes shine through just as much as his did. Shame on you hypocrites, especially the person who runs this site.
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Yeah, yeah. And you're here doing the same thing so you're no better than anybody else. Admit it or move it along, dude.
It astounds me that people come on a website to bash people who post on websites. Hypocrisy abounds!
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Geoff = Another Sanctimonius Pontifficating (Morally you nust do my bidding) A** H****
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This old Marine would like to say
Fowler you and yours are ichiban benjo nezumisans. Please leave, we do not need your kind in this country.
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Hi Bill, I,m just a stupid fat American(I know cause Stephen the Scum an Renee the Rude told me so). Since you wrote in another language I assume you live in Frisco and went to the Intermational Scool to become a "World Citizen". Will you please translate for me ? Semper Fi!
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Foxnews is now showing fowler and metion the site.
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Geoff - are you sure that you are
on the correct site ?
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If cosmic yang is to be served, their children will grow up to be outstanding Marines with distinguished careers. After that, they will become paragons for the republican party.
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I don't know. When I was young and strong I was told I could ...never mi
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Renee's interview
"Q: How did the kids cope with the swap?
A: My kids found it difficult. They felt Gayla didn't take the time to understand them and learn what they find fun. Instead she branded us the "no-fun family," and this hurt my kids and offended my husband. The kids did get some perspective on their lives. They now better appreciate the importance of applying themselves in school and see the value of education, and the risks of not getting a good education."
Does anyone need anymore ammo on this nutjob family just read more of Dear ole Renee's interview about the kids for example do not have any "fun " except maybe on the weekends etc..
Interview on the ABC page of wifeswap
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That's just an outrage. Her children DID like go kart racing! Poor kids, poisoned by their poisonous parents. I can't wait till Stephen Fowler and Renee Stephens are broke.
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I posted the exact same thing a couple days ago. But it bears repeating.
If Renee is half as smart as she thinks she is, she'll get away from him, and quick. If she NEEDS a man in her life to confirm her existance, I'm sure there's one who will treat her and her children with the dignity that any human being deserves.
Since she's not doing that, it's pretty obvious that Stephen's got her thinking that nobody else would ever have her, and that she's lucky (somehow) to have him. Totally beyond my comprehension, but it's the world she lives in.
I only hope that if she can't act on her own behalf, she'll do it for the sake of her children.
Or, since she doesn't seem to care about them at all, maybe she'll do it for the sake of driving business back to her clinics.
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Biding, I think what is going on with her is, besides the fact that she's lockstep with Stephen Fowler, he's also the moneybags in the home. She's economically tied to him. If she goes, she would have to live a working class life (oh the horrors!) and probably move out of SF to a suburban area, and, she'd be MAN-LESS, which in SF really makes people look down at you since there are not a lot of available single straight men. Plus the children. Not a lot of men would take her - well not in the income bracket she's looking to be in. It would be hard for her to find a bay area date, let alone an SF one, and that would be nil to zero.
As a divorced woman, she would be seen as tainted by her friends as well as they would think it's "catching".
That's just the way SF is. And with 2 children - she won't be dating an upper income man. She'll probably be single the rest of her life while she lives in SF.
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"She's economically tied to him."
Not anymore. If he is, indeed, filing for bankruptcy, he's not exactly the financial catch of the century anymore.
"If she goes, she would have to live a working class life..."
Not if she's half as smart as she thinks she purports to be. With his actions, he's handed her all the ammunition she needs to not only get free from him, but to live a very comfortable life. Think about it. How is she better percieved? As the snobbish Stephen Fowler clone, or as the strong, independant woman who had the good sense to break away from his abouse and create a better life for her children..?
If she's got even half a brain cell, she's set for life.
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Well, let me explain my thoughts here. Even if they're not doing great financially in these times (and I kind of doubt that they are, especially now), there is the big white elephant of a home that they own.
Just a quick look at the MLS shows me that the asking price for their home would be in the $1,500,000 or more range, and under that she would be living in less space and a smaller place. She does not want to give up that property, not to sell it. And if they split up, she would have to. AND, she probably doesn't have any fat clients anymore.
I'm just saying that piece of property alone is going to keep her tied to him unlss they go into foreclosure. This is the way a lot of SF residents live.
Heck I worked with a woman who was living in her grandparents home, and her daughter and daughter's daughter lived in it as well.
Real estate is so expensive there that many people just hang together or live in parents/grandparent/great grandparents homes, all together.
I know this one guy who is still living at home. He's in his 50's now. He works but he lives at home. And he's not gay.
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Let me explain my thoughts.
You're making it sound like if she leaves him, she'll be bereft, homeless and broke. If she just stumbles out into the street with her kids in tow, that's probably true.
I'm saying that if she plays her cards right, she could really cash in on leaving him. She can kick him to the curb, keep the house and come off looking like the mother of the freaking year. People would look up to her for her strength of character and her courage for not tolerating his views.
If she's smart.
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Biding, I usually agree with you but sadly have got to tell you - Mr. & mrs. Fowler have a symbiotic relationship with each one enabling and validating the other. Actually, it's more like a Symbionese Liberation Army. It's vapid and disruptive and because Gayla's questons were simple and to the point, it disrupted Stephen's safety zone. If someone is secure, genuinely so, the individual would not recoil in such a psychotic way. Rather, he's created his little world and with out his support mechanism (Renee the validator/enabler/i.e. willing participant), he snapped from the start. I do not think that she will leave him, not now, not ever. There will be a crack in the foundation but the fights will be relegated to their home and they will continue on in a show of unity. I suspect that it will all be written off as a 'for the sakes of the children' and 'he's not so bad'. The real reasons will be more pragmatic and ominous.
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I agree, but having seen her, and trust me she is typical, she's not going to do it.
Well, unless they go into foreclosure due to lack of money for the mortgage. Then she'll make a move. Not till then though.
That's my prediction.
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Mrs. E - completely agreed.
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree with both of you. It probably won't happen. She's either too abused, too snowed or too lazy to step out from under Stephen's abusive thumb.
I'm just saying that she COULD. And she'd make a much better living without him, if she were smart. But considering her choices up to this point, it's pretty clear that she's not.
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Sigh...I don't think that she is as much victim as some think she is. It'a about a chance to compare and contrast. Next to Fowler, Renee appeared to be a victim but in the Long's home she was Fowler 'light' personified, just (nicely) deluted by her training. So, we'll see. I don't wish Renee or the kids any harm, but unlike her children Renee continues to make a choice to lead a life with a man who's now been exposed. So, c'est la visa.....
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Being a victim is a complex thing. A victim can and often does come to identify with her abuser to such an extent that she adopts the same mindset. It's the easiest way to survive. Not to resist. To agree. To please and therefore be accepted by her abuser.
Remember Patty Hearst? She identified with her captors to such an extent that she toted an uzi and held up a bank. That's how brainwashing works. Fowler's done it to his wife, and now he's doing it to his children.
Renee is absolutely a victim. She's as bad as he is, but she's still a victim. And as long as she stays with him, she chooses to remain a victim. She could break free if she wanted to, and live her own life, free of his bullying. It wouldn't be easy, but it is possible. Lots of women never find the courage to break free. She'll probably be quite happy letting him dominate and bully her for the rest of her life. Sad for those children that she's allowing him to abuse as well, but probably true.
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Yup - I do remember Patty Hearst, thus my previous SLA reference. Still, as in any abusive relationship the only change which will come is when one is ready to listen. Sometimes, it's got to be after she hits absolute bottom. I don't know if this fiasco a total bottome or enough for a revelation. It's definitely a huge PR disaster but it occurred to me today that perhaps it may drive her deeper into the situation. Only they will sort it out. Sometimes, it's easiest to take the path of least resistance which really bites one on the b**t later on and just postpones the inevitable. Speaking from some experience in that area.
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Fowler doesn't need to take the college exam to humiliate himself, He did that on his own. Stephen may be well "read", but He is Not educated. I feel for His family. To have a husband and a father who has disgraced His family name, as He did.
He must be a very insecure individual, if He has to belittle another person in order to make himself "feel like a big man".
He ought to count His blessings, especially if one of those is that His wife and children have any kind of respect for such a boy in a "man's" body.
Personally, I think He has demonstrated how stupid He really is.
Signed,
A well educated, common sense woman....lol.
PS. He can "put that in His pipe and smoke it".
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I just sent this to infamous blogger Luke Ford. LA Times reads his blog. This is probably going to get another life.
I'd like Drudge to pick it up as well.
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I have two degrees from Harvard and a degree from Oxford. I am now working on another degree. However, this man, Steven Fowler, does not in any way represent the educated people that I know. He is rude, crude, and dumb - and so is his wife. Together, they make a perfect zero. Fowler's 'better than thou' British attitude represents EXACTLY why this country exists. He is quite laughable! He is literally a throw back in time too the period of King George III and all of the other British Monarchs who looked down their noses at the "American peasants." Yet, we beat them pretty badly in 1776, and then we ruled them economically and politically thereafter. So, why does he live here anyway? Simple. Because this is still the best nation in that world. He knows it; his wife knows it. They just cannot admit it. Trust me, from what I have seen at Harvard and Oxford, his kids don't stand a chance of being admitted because Ivy League schools admire generosity, humility, and kindness as much as they admire intellect. Based on how the Fowler's are raising their kids, they will not possess these traits.
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Well Said ! I hate the Euro-Trash that runs down this country. Without us, they would be Seig Heiling, or Starving and speaking Ruski....Maybe that's what they are after...
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BEat em up run him outta town."if u dont like america get the f**k out". just beat the shit outta him... case closed. Hes so lucky hes not in L.A. !!!BEAT DOWN.. BEAT DOWN!!!
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Luke Ford just published it.
http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=8270
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"There is no respect for others without humility in one's self"
-Henri Frederic Amiel
Does Mr. Fowler have any humility?
[For those who aren't versed in UK insults such as "shagging wanker" please consult Google another search engine. I wish to speak with this egotistic Brit' and the sycophants who support him using native insults.
This hubris ridden, shagging wanker, nancy-boy, poofta is not only an unrepentant ass. He's a disgrace to
1. All People who have any sense of humility. Especially those who have been blessed with any excess of pulcritude, monetary wealth, fame, a high I.Q. etc who do NOT use every opportunity to humiliate others that have less blessings than themselves.
2. THE ENTIRE UNITED KINGDOM. As with all nationalities, races, religions, cultures The LAST thing that anyone wants is a WANKER who looks like themselves, is from the same country, has the same type of speach....etc.
In other words U.K. residents are surely not happy with a highly publicised assenine rant by a fellow citizen. It damages national immage and pride. He is perpetuating the worst misconceptions about British / English / U.K. citizens.
I'll stop for now. My US friend needs to use his computer
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Stephen, please come back. I'm sure that there are a few Londoners, Manchester folks and Aussies who would like to anjust your attitude.
Also BRAVO to thise who created this site.
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I have a suspicion that his English background may not have been so impressive. His behavior suggests some class-based insecurities. Has anyone ever checked his childhood background?
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He is an ABUSER!!
"There was a very telling moment for me that says it all about the Fowler marriage; the moment when Mrs. Fowler asked Mr. Long if he was going to hit her after she disagreed with him. Never mind how his children were afraid to say they were having fun, were visibly terrified of their own father; the man’s true character showed when his children had a play party and he threw a tantrum and ended it because he was no longer the center of attention."
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Excellent Points!
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Oh My God ! You are so right.....And sick couples provoke each other. You are so smart. You nust have at least 170 I.Q. according to smart boy....Ohh he just called and told me that no woman can match his Mojo (Whatever that means...I think you are SMART!!!
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I think we will find out they are going broke (If they weren't all ready) pretty soon.....(I know he has millions...LOL..PUTZ)
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Whoever you are: You are Brilliant and smarter than I. To you I offer respect no matter your sex or your origins or geographic location. Even if you are a "Stupid American".
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WHY HASN'T ANYONE COMMENTED ON THE FOX NEW VIA YAHOO COMMENTS ON THIS..IT IS RIGHT ON!!!
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=12119417&ch=4226713&src=news
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DUDE! DRINK DECAF!!!
And stop posting in all caps.
Thanks.
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My question is, So is San Francisco still one of the places you can tolerate living at Mr. Fowler?
His statement about earning more money in a month than the Longs' did in a year made me chuckle. I grew up in the Midwest and have known many very wealthy people, just by looking at them you wouldn't think they had two nickels to rub together. Another life lesson to learn is never judge a book by its cover!
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This has to be said.
I came here through a news article and expected there to be some real discussion on what Fowler did and perhaps some insight as to what we can all learn from it.
Fowler's an ass. The world knows that now, and I'm sure his friends knew it all along. But you folks sit here day after day to get your "rage allowance" and in doing so, put down the educated, British people, Europeans in general, people from San Francisco, liberals...I could go on. This is what it would be like to have a show co-hosted by BOTH O'Reilly and Limbaugh. Fowler offended many, and many of you are continuing on his legacy and you don't even KNOW it.
Do yourselves a favor...be with your families and kids, live each day with a positive light and note Fowler as being an ass and move on. What exactly does continuing to rage on about him actually accomplish for you? Some of you are calling for his family to be ruined financially.
This is my one and only post...as I'm sure many will undoubtedly come along and berate me for "being a hypocrite" and posting here. Fine go ahead if you want...makes no difference to me...but I'm sure many will agree with a lot of what I say.
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LOL, those who always write "This will be my last post" always lie. You'll be back like a LIBERAL hoping that we'll bow down to thee.
It's always good to attack the bad. That's what the good peeps are doing here and your firmly established yourself as someone who would NEVER put the evil in their place. Thanks for letting us know what you are. You're disgusting too, LOL!
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Easy Steve. You had your chance on national TV and you showed your true colors. You do yourself no favors by making sock puppets to rebut the truth. Go back to Newcastle, wanker.
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*uck You you Pompous, Preaching Elitist A** H***. You like that, no?
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Fowler illustrates the problem this country is facing. We as a nation are becoming overwhelmed by so called "intellectuals" who are actually very ignorant people (dangerously ignorant in that they believe they are actually smart) with little knowledge of history, humility, civility, and kindness. No truly educated person feels the need to demean others or wear there education on their sleeve or speak of how much one earns. This is the most base behavior and symptomatic of someone who is very insecure and very disturbed. When the midwestern wife suggested he take the SAT test as a rule he demanded and end to the show. This is classic of someone who is a fake, a phony, a fraud. May Fowler and those that are like him be uncovered for the misserable, uneducated people that they really are.
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I agree
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I like how this guy isn't from this country and bashes the people who live here and then gets offended when the great people of this country stand up for each other. I am an American and I don't care what part of the country someone is from, they are my brother and sister and we are united and don't tolerate people bad mouthing us at all. If he doesn't like the people here in this country that much then maybe he should go back to merry ole England.
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He And His Wife are "Global Citizens" ??? More like "Global Diarrhea"
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This man is a wife beater. That has nothing to do with San Fran or London, his career or earnings. He enjoys being cruel. Very smart of his wife to get him on camera to either leverage therapy or insure a big pay off during the divorce.
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If only she were that smart.
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I really Really .....Hope she is that smart....However She is not blameless. (But she is a mother..and she won't stand up to this "Outstanding" and "Rigid" Husband ?
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I really Really .....Hope she is that smart....However She is 2/19/2009 5:07 PM K wrote:
He is an ABUSER!!
"There was a very telling moment for me that says it all about the Fowler marriage; the moment when Mrs. Fowler asked Mr. Long if he was going to hit her after she disagreed with him. Never mind how his children were afraid to say they were having fun, were visibly terrified of their own father; the man’s true character showed when his children had a play party and he threw a tantrum and ended it because he was no longer the center of attention."
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2/19/2009 5:33 PM Joyce wrote:
Excellent Points!
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2/19/2009 7:06 PM cannon wrote:
Oh My God ! You are so right.....And sick couples provoke each other. You are so smart. You nust have at least 170 I.Q. according to smart boy....Ohh he just called and told me that no woman can match his Mojo (Whatever that means...I think you are SMART!!!
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2/19/2009 6:55 PM cannon wrote:
I think we will find out they are going broke (If they weren't all ready) pretty soon.....(I know he has millions...LOL..PUTZ)
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2/19/2009 7:16 PM cannon wrote:
Whoever you are: You are Brilliant and smarter than I. To you I offer respect no matter your sex or your origins or geographic location. Even if you are a "Stupid American".
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not blameless. (But she is a mother..and she won't stand up to this "Outstanding" and "Rigid" Husband ?
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He's getting what he deserves. You don't treat people like that.
I hope he and his hag continue to be proud. Pompous LIBERALISM always has the opposite of the intended result. Thank goodness for this website.
Sucks to be a FOWL-er!
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Yeh so true, but a truly educated man would know this. His wife doesn't have "advanced degrees". She has a collection of "certificates" from quasi-legitimate groups so it is rather ironic that she dissed the other family for not having advanced degrees. Doesn't sound like she has any real idea of what an advanced degree is. What advanced degree does her hubby have anyway? MA, MBA, PhD? Which????
They are both truly ignorant people and deserve all the backlash they are getting. It's just "instant" karma or poetic justice and I love it!
So many Americans see them for the fools they are. Reaffirms my faith in humanity.
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I think he has a MPhil, which is awarded to Ph.D candidates who don't quite make it, although it can also be pursued as a research Master degree. I don't know why he has that instead of a doctorate. Could be he didn't get around to defending his dissertation for a doctorate. Renee was way too hung up on whether they had college degrees or not. I am a great advocate of education but college isn't for everyone and unless they feel they have missed out themselves it's not for anyone else to judge. The adult Longs seemed satisfied with their lives and they support their son's wish to go to college. That's all that really matters.
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Oh really. How did the public give you the power to define that for society ??? HUH..
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You have a lot of opinions that equate to = I DON'T KNOW----Good Show I Don't Know
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cannon, your comments are loaded with enthusiasm, mania, caffeine or all.
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Why Thank You. That is the nicest complemt I've ever had ! Im pretty too to women. Sorry I was preening my feathers....
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I'm way old too. I'm lucky I typed out this se.....
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No...I'm just Irish Hawaiin Welsh German...Thats me! And Mania....
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No...I'm just Irish Hawaiin Welsh German...Thats me! No kidding. And Mania....Kidding about mania. I hate this shit. So I write!
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Define what for society? Someone asked what advanced degrees he has and I saw that he has a MPhil on one of the professional sites he used to be on. All I did was state why most people get a MPhil, which is because they either didn't complete or didn't successfully complete a PhD. It's not usually pursued as a terminal degree, but it can be. That has nothing to do with defining things for society.
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I was a street guard in 6 th grade.
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Ya know. Bless You
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What a pompous, arrogant, condescending piece of feces.....
I think I would have throttled the ass at first chance had I found out about the disrespect he exhibited to the woman he "swapped" with....
He should have his green card or visa revoked if he really doesn't like the US....
Horrible behavior from this so called "man." His children should be ashamed!!!!
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This so called intelligent man IS MOST DEFINITELY AN ABUSER As was pointed out in an earlier post when Renee asked if Mr. Long was going to hit her because she disagreed with him. Speaking from experience, only someone who's being/been abused would respond like that This also shows in the demeanor of the children who have learned the consequences of not doing what daddy dearest says. The only reason I can think of for Mr Fowler agreeing to the show is in his arrogance he cannot comprehend anyone disagreing with him as he always knows best. Kudos to the Longs for being the better people. They showed the real intelligence degree or no degree. I'm sure when all's said and done Mr Stephen Fowler will be outed for the abusing common fraud that he is with no real degree in anything. San Francisco Social Services pay attention and step in while the children can still be saved from his abuse. I can only hope Steven Fowler recognizes how lucky he is, if the Longs were the "uneducated, over opinionated rednecks from Podunk MO" as he claims he would have received the ass whooping he so richly deserves. So to you Mr Fowler(as I'm sure you're to narcissistic to not be reading these posts) remember that Actions speak louder than words and no words you can say now or ever will be louder than your actions
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So let's remember this manners maketh man, or manners before morals. I'm not sure this Fowler bashing is good manners at all. The man has apologized I believe. We're all less than perfect. Everyone makes mistakes. On top of it I believe the TV channel is more responsible for his behavior than he is. But whatever you may think, let's forgive and remember the man for his good qualities, which he also has. The man is not a child molester or a criminal, nor a Madoff or a dictator.
This country is made of foreigners and most americans are in a way. There's no need to hit the patriotic button or to put the flag before our own morals, common sense and decency.
I think the episodes are a lesson for all of us to remember these values. Let's have respect for our fellow man or woman. Love, tolerance and respect to all.
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The point missing is still indeed what degree does he hold? I don't believe any. Anyone who has to tell us he's smart over and over is only trying to somehow validate what doesn't exist. Additionally, being from the East I'm shocked that looking at the home on the "tube", that one would consider this upper class. It would be considered low rent here. No back yard or any embellishments. It's funny how people can delude themselves and still make money by going "green". We've been doing that here for the last 20 years. The simple fact that they lowered themselves to be on this show shows they probably need the money. On the other hand the Missouri couple certainly weren't hurting for money as Fowler implies. ATV's and paintballs aren't cheap. Their home was quaint and well kept. I think maybe the Fowlers have less money that the other couple, and it's all a ruse. Did you notice the lack of real fine furniture in the Fowler home. Also it is abuse to not allow the children friends out of school. One might ask what do his children do for fun. The work ethic is admirable but no child should have two and a half hours of homework a night, unless they are in high school or college. Something just doesn't jive here. An international school? Why not a prep school? It's all a joke and he proved his stupidity.
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Bee - I agree about the condition of the the Fowlers' home, but on the first viewing attributed it more so to a controlled environment. A number of others also wrote about this early on - just how monastic the place looks - it's a house (looks rather like a bachelor's pad in his 20's) rather than a home. In fact, it's so bare that one may almost hear an echo of Fowler's chuckle. On the education part, I don't think that 2.5 hour of study is too extreme if broken down. Some of it is likely reading and writing reports. It does, however, require a parent's participaiton to stay with it - not with threats but rather to encourage and show one's commitment to the son/daughter's education as a family. I just saw the little boy struggling with it becuase it seemed like his father's support was threatening. As a kid 'behind the iron curtain' we went to school 6 day/week and had homework every night. It's extreme to some, but my parent were also used to it and we did it. When we came to the US, I may not have spoken English or was able to read the test questions, but in 7th grade scored in 11th grade math level. I assure you, I'm not a genious, just a kid who did her homework and my parent were in it, side by side. US public school education is lagging behind so I don't blame them for putting the kids through a better school and doing what's required to do well. BUT (and that's a big BUT), why the kids were sent to this school may have less to do with education in their case than a status symbol. Rising at 3:30am or depriving them of sleep to finish a problem can not possibly contribute to a healthy or supportive learning environment. It's all about balance and there seemed to be very little of it. Did you notice that Fowler did take the time to teach his son how to open a wine bottle? Somehow, I don't think that's one of the courses offered at the school.
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Both of my children attended (recently) an all boys preparatory elementary school on the other side of town. My oldest is at MIT and my youngest is at a very competetive secondary prep school. At no time during their K thru 8 academic career did they consistently have 2.5 hrs of homework. In fact, not even close. Maybe the poor kids have to do it twice? Once in english and once in French. By the way, without wanting to sound judgemental, why French? I mean what? So you can order the wine off the menu, or sell perfume? In this day and age, wouldnt Mandarin or Spanish make alot more sense? I mean people actually use it. As a proficient speaker of Spanish, French, Italian and some Greek, Nothing gives me grater pleasure than speaking the local language... EXCEPT in France. Where I take a great deal of pleasure in forcing them to speak english.
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Excellent points. As I said, while I am delighted not to know Mr. & Mrs. F, from what we've seen they made choices of based on a perception of superiority rather than a practical application. (which also goes back to the causes they patronize). Likely, the pompous s*** probably sees Spanish not as a language of Cervantes but rather (solely) of his maid.
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The fowlers should visit my home town,
Pittsburgh, Pa. Its a Beautiful city with
lots of culture, great schools. Some of the best in the country. However, I don't think they would last long. See, folks from Pittsburgh are a bit different from where he comes from. They are hard working, PROUD of what they have and LOVE this country dearly, not unlike 99.9% of us Americans. The Fowlers live in world where they feel safe from the rest of us low life uneducated Rednecks. A world that the rest of us peons don't wish to venture into. Let him stay with his "SET" he will suffer. The Fowlers are real 'JAG-OFFS"
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I saw this episode. This guy is a real piece of work. He says he was just "acting," well then he must have put a whole lot of himself into the role, maybe his whole self.
Shame on him. His behavior is within his control--hellooo. He can decide what, and how much he wants to commit himself to. It seems that he wanted to commit his whole self here.
It also seemed that at times his wife,Renee, was embarrassed by his behavior.
Such boorish behavior would, I doubt, be impressive to the Queen of England. I doubt she would want to claim so boorish a son.
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Stephen Fowler would not understand a manner or conscience if it hit him in his tree hugging t-shirt. Any man or woman that would drag a tired sleeping child out of their bed to finish homework he was not satisfied with is way beyond help. I am sure this was not the first time he did this. If my children work late on homework and they get tired, they shower, go to bed. The next morning get up a little earlier eat a good breakfast and they finish it with a recharged brain. I could never image living as these people live. Family life is give and take. Understanding and listening. Maybe Mr. Fowler should re-read "Hard Times" by Charles Dickens, since I am sure he has read EVERYTHING at least once. Perhaps he forgot the ending after seeing how the children ended up raised under the influence of dismissing emotion and conscience and everything is valued by price and self-interest. I hope he sees his horrible influence on these kids before they turn into HIM. His name should be included under the definition of JERK!!!
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This mans not worthy of even PISSING on American soil,never mind a patient good hearted proud AMERICAN wife as he did!Deport him!
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I have spent some time contemplating the statements made by Mr. FOULer and his wife regarding the "proud to be American" thing. She stated that she felt there was nothing to be proud of in what was basically an accident of birth. Hmm.. interesting thought, and possibly with a measure of merit. Stephen then follows with statements which imply his patriotism is actually superior to that of others since he CHOSE to become a citizen, unlike most who are simply citizens by accident of birth. Sounds like an interesting point, on the face of it. Is there any flaw in the reasoning he put forth? Absolutely there is, but with all his vaunted intellect (however, as I tested at 164 IQ when I was 8 I am less than impressed) there are a couple of concepts he seems to have neglected to fully explore.
First is the fact that while most citizens become citizens by accident of birth, the blessing of God, or the mere whims of fate... those same people have the ability, like Mr. Fouler, to move elsewhere and take up citizenship in another land. They have been HONORED and Privileged to be born American, but they are PROUD to remain so.
The second though which occurred to me regards the pride he takes in his own intellect. Education is a wonderful thing, but it does not make one intelligent. Intelligence is an inate trait you are either born with, or you are not. Education of a moron leaves you with nothing but an educated moron. Education simply provides you with facts... intelligence makes you capable of utilizing those facts in a useful manner. Mr Fouler seems to be one of those people who, by accident of birth to a family with money, was then able to get advanced education in spite of his apparent lack of intelligence. So, should he have pride in an education that he relieved at least partially due to the accident of birth of being born to privilege that many more intelligent people are not fortunate enough to have been blessed with? Further, the IQ he claims he possesses, and which he seems extremely proud, is also an accident of birth... nothing that HE was responsible for... so what basis does he have for pride in that?
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Tis one of the annoying things about relying upon spelling checkers that they overlook words which, though they are a typographical error, still spell out a legitimate word even, if not the word you wished. I apologize for the above typos.
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I think he has foolishly shamed himself and his family. Is this what a stiff lip is all about?
There is NEVER an excuse for being condesending. After all I don't exactly see the UK helping him pay his bills. Guess what country he's in?
He should really get a grip.
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Fowler is really a jerk head. He is thinking that because he is more educated that he better than that woman. Evidently the way he behave in that show is not way how an educated person behave. A person who never attended school can behave better than Fowler. He needs to take his dumb ass back to England. He is totally insane and needs to be put in Psychiatric Facililty.
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In my opinion, Fowler showed America who the real ignorant person really is. I would like to extend to him an invitation to leave the United States of America and enjoy life elsewhere. It bothers me to think that my son who is in the Air Force is actually fighting for individuals such as Fowler. I would like to put military clothing on him and place him on the front line in Iraq. I wonder how far his "intelligence" would get him there!!
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I guess the Fowler couple are not as smart as they thought they were. They never learned how to interact with people in general. Thier opinions are very narrow minded. They are truly the ones with a limited vocabulary ,limited to insulting people. What a poor example they are to their children.And in the end ,they were the ones forced to apoligise for thier extremely bad behavoir. In other words they had to eat crow before the world. So who is the stupid one now?
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Fowler...seems to be a mean old jerk. Although I don't think he reperesents the typical liberal, San Franciscan, or Englishman, he's a jerk nontheless. Every group has its own trash...and it seems Fowler is the trash of us liberals. Although I'm not so clear on what exactly he did, the short clips that I saw of him makes him look like a pompous @$$. I'm a bit ashamed to call myself a liberal now because of his pretentiousness. There is a line between dignity and hubris...and he crossed it big-time. I don't think you can even call him a liberal, since he just seems to believe in the philosophy to back up his own ego. He's probably just a hypocrite.
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I just realized something. Did anyone notice that there was virtually no art or literature in the Fowler's Castro District manse? I think it is an often repeated mantra of mensa (alliterative?) that the educated are always lifetime readers. The only true predictor of continued intellectual growth. I'll bet my bippie that the only thing they read is mother jones, The Snob Hill Gazette (they'll never see their own pictures) and bullshit Al Gore type eco-panic crap. Oh I forgot, The occassional self help book. For a Neuro linguistic programmer, I didn't see any copies of Noam CHomsky thrown over the back of the sofa, did you?
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The house looks staged, as if they were showing it for sale.
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There is nothing wrong with what Fowler did. It's about time someone tell those embarrassments to the human race what the world really thinks of them, especially after the last 8 years of rule by Stupid. Put away your warm fuzzies and get your heads out of your asses!
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30 years I've spent in the military protecting the lives and rights of the American people. You Mr.Fowler have not only insulted my country,you've insulted my people. You have no respect for the very country that has provided for your family. So in the words of my southern brothers and sisters, what you deserve is a Mud Hole Stomped In Your Ass! You need to pack your family up and leave this country you loathe so much.
Duty, Honor, Country
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If you truly believe that this country is great and believes in the morons running it than you have an IQ of about 20. I don’t fault you that much though because if it is really true that you were in the military, I’d believe it because the military needs idiots to do their dirty work; someone that will do and believe as they’re told without asking any questions.
I am also of the opinion that this country DOES IN FACT SUCK. I share Fowler's opinion 100% and speak my mind every chance I get. This country offers nothing but heartache and bleeding heart liberal morons. I'd never allow my kid to go fight for a crappy place like this, period!
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I respect a man that will speak his mind. I have seen a couple of the video clips and I see that yes, he is pompous and arrogant but he has a right to his opinions.
I respect him for verbalizing his feelings. Maybe if we all voiced our true opinions instead of being so agreeable all the time, this country would not be in the position that it’s in now.
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We are. Stephen is a rank rotting shit hole of an intellect. And an effete elite ass suck. What is P.C. about that?
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The dumb ass wife is so proud to proclaim that they only eat the finest, healthiest organic food that money can buy...if so, how did all that healthy food produce such sh*t-heads like them??
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Obviously, this man has absolutely no idea that there are many people in this world-that DO NOT revolve around HIS narrow stupid simple mind. Maybe he needs to educate himself, even if only sitting in airport terminals and watching the many people who travel every day. I'm sure he won't be any better-or worse-than anyone else. I'm sure if he also has the resources, maybe he would like to send some of the money he enjoys on his "follies" to people who need medicine-say for the cure of leprosy, diabetes, etc.-just to start, or how about bailing out the 90 year old man who had the integrity and dignity to not degrade the man who extorted $700,000+ that he had saved to "retire" out in California, and is now earning $10/hr. working as a greeter in a local grocery store. Maybe the 90 year old man can give him some well needed lessons in manners, more importantly-humility! What say you?!
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Absollutely right! I saw that story on yahoo yesterday and felt so proud to be a (naturalized) American. The gentleman in question built his wealth on a business which Fowler would have consider way beneath him and in the face of adversity shows class, grace and perseverence.
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Stephen Fowler reminds me of my Boss who enjoys in bullying behavior to make himself feel good. I think someone needs to put him on a plane back to where he came from.
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I am so disgusted by this guy, I don't even know where to start.
If this schmuck really dislikes the US so much, can we please just send him back to the UK? This guy is insulting this woman, but he must have forgotten to look at himself. The guy's a bag of bones. I'm sorry, this schlep needs to get taught a lesson.
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This is guy is your typical british wanker...a-hole!
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"...people in the middle of the country frankly (laughs) are just like you. It’s amazing - uneducated, simple and without a clue about what’s going on in the world. You’re undereducated; over opinionated and you’re overweight."
He is so right!!!!
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DC DUDE..FU** YOUED. DUDE! You have a Doctorate in what exactly ?
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Cannon - please chill out and stop taking the bate from a flare/troll.
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O.K. How are you doing ? Well I hope.
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I sense a certain sarcasm and irony in your response. Maybe I'm just giving you the benefit of the doubt.
It's not that a lot of people may agree, and hold biases. Just as the Longs may hold about urbanites.
But in expressing himself in such a coarse manner, Fowler exhibits an utter lack of class and humanity that should be part and parcel of a highly intelligent, environment-conscious person.
So the irony is that Gayla is undereducated, but Fowler has degrees and IQ and yet scores an F (for Fowleresque) in practical and behavioral knowledge.
He calls Gayla over-opinionated and even rude. The irony aspect may be that he doesn't consider these to be weaknesses. But hypocrisy is more like it.
When he says this at the end, including the overweight part, and the camera cuts to Renee covering her face in shame, that says it all.
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Having been raised in a home of higher education (a father with a PhD and a mother with two masters) I found Stephen Fowler's educational elitism sickening. My parents used to say, "If you need to tell people how smart your are, you aren't!"
His constant nationalism and his rudeness while putting down a seemingly very nice person showed just how little class he has. His poor children and wife! I just wish that fine woman's husband had been able to watch the show before their table talk. I have a feeling little Mr. Fowler might be missing a few teeth.
Some of the most wonderful people I have encountered in our country were midwesterners and southerners and I never inquired about their education and or pedigree. What I know is my very educated parents used to say, "THEY are the salt of the earth!"
Send him back to the UK, but what is sad is most of the Brits I have met over there are wonderful and they don't deserve this blow hard either.
Perhaps his next reality venture should be Survivor, let's see how his prissy little cultured self fairs when the women on the show are kicking his little cultured rear end!
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Having been raised in a home of higher education (a father with a PhD and a mother with two masters) I found Stephen Fowler's educational elitism sickening. My parents used to say, "If you need to tell people how smart your are, you aren't!"
His constant nationalism and his rudeness while putting down a seemingly very nice person showed just how little class he has. His poor children and wife! I just wish that fine woman's husband had been able to watch the show before their table talk. I have a feeling little Mr. Fowler might be missing a few teeth.
Some of the most wonderful people I have encountered in our country were midwesterners and southerners and I never inquired about their education and or pedigree. What I know is my very educated parents used to say, "THEY are the salt of the earth!"
Send him back to the UK, but what is sad is most of the Brits I have met over there are wonderful and they don't deserve this blow-hard either.
Perhaps his next reality venture should be Survivor, let's see how his prissy little cultured self fares when the women on the show are kicking his little cultured rear end!
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By the way, I realize before the grammar nuts get on me saying my educated parents should have taught me editing, that fairs is fares and blow hard is blow-hard. Just typing too quick...
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Hey, Great Britain: please take back your Fowler. It does more harm than good, and we do not need it here.
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I used to enjoyed Wife Swap as a social experiment. I watched the English version and was looking forward to the US version. My understanding was that participants were exposed to another life style to see how 'the other half lives'. Most participants learned something positive from the swap and brought it into their lives. After all, living is learning. However, this particular issue had all the trappings of the Jerry Springer show. The fact that it was aired, makes it very clear what the network was going for. Ratings. The treatment this fine lady received at the hands of Stephen was shameful. Bad enough that Stephen acted in this disgusting manner, but for the network to air the show speaks volumes about what their intentions are. This form of sensationalism makes me determined not to watch Wife Swap any more.
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This man if that's what you choose to call him is not by any means a sample of the British people. Having been to England and San Francisco it is clear to me it's his manhood that is driving his anger it is painfully clear he is VERY inadequate that always make men testy so rather then hate on the poor thing feel sorry for his wife.
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With respects to Stephen Fowler. It takes less of a man to offend a woman than to compliment a woman. This woman has gone through the pain to conceive four children of her own and that sir is a pain you will never know or quite possibly understand. You do a great disservice to all people of English decent also. Lets' not forget that it was these "mid western rednecks" and all other Americans that saved your butts in 2 world wars and asked for no thanks.
Certainly you have demonstrated that intelligence is not directly linked to god common sense or manners. Were I your father I would immediately seek a neutering.
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I respect the British for upholding Western Civilisation. I think the Americans have Done their part for Britain and Europe. Those same middle Americans-as well as those on both coasts died to preserve Europe and Britain and Western Civisilation. Do you hear Americans referring to Britain as "Fly over country" (Like you don't count). Without the Midwest of America (The Industrial Center). "WE" (Meaning Europe and The U.S. would have lost WWII and/or the cold war And YOU and We would would be Seig Heiling or starving and singing the praises of Stalin . Where do you think the Great Industrial Centers were " California, Alaskia, Maine?" Mr. Stephen Fowler is not impeccably educated. He is an ass and I for one (Who admires the Brits. Want YOU you to take him back). He claims he is educated, but does not speak or conduct himself as a educated man. I respect You as a people. Perhaps YOU need to shut up. After all I dn not have ANYTHING negative to say about any of you.
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